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Should police officers be held more accountable for their actions?

Amit Sengupta
05 Jun 2020
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Police in most countries enjoy a certain level of immunity

Due to the nature of their work, most LE officials enjoy more powers and immunity than the man on the street. That comes with the territory. The problem is when some people within the force lose restraint and go out of control. This scenario is certainly exacerbated when higher-ups either support it covertly or do not take strict measures as part of the punishment.

This is a fact we have to live with. I cant ever see a time when police will be completely righteous and benevolent. There are always bad apples everywhere.

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Almost certainly not. there Are .9 million policemen in America
I do not think every person that has suffered from police brutality has committed a crime.
Needs evidence
Of course they should be more accountable
The evidence presented so far does not justify the claim
Isn't there some chance these guys deserve some police brutality?
Even assuming this is true, why does it show removing it would make the public safer?
72% of African-Americans are satisfied with their local police departments.
Before this incident, officer Chauvin faced many complaints.
What's the evidence?
Police in most countries enjoy a certain level of immunity
Police officers do not face repercussions if they have complaints.
If police officers were held more accountable for their actions, it would make it safer for the public and it would be better for the police departments.

Almost certainly not. there .9 million policemen  in America. Getting bad acts down to zero isn't going to happen.  but that doesn't mean that further attempts to rein in police are unlikely to prevent them from doing their job properly. since the current BLM protests and riots, we've seen murder rates skyrocket in every major Democratic city as the police phone it in or walk off the job because they don't like being called racists and charged with murder for righteous busts. the number of excess murders surely greatly exceeds already  the number of unarmed Blacks shot by police last year which is nine. seems fairly clear that the only way to get shot by police is to resist arrest. all of the people being touted so far as victims of the police in the current protests have rap sheets down to the floor. there was one guy who gratuitously slammed a 92-year-old woman to the ground just when he was passing her on the street.  he seems to have the record so far:  hundred one arrests. 

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1275243059480006656

 


I do not think every person that has suffered from police brutality has committed a crime.


What's the evidence they regularly get away with murder? what statistics are they hiding? 


What other profession allows it's members to regularly get away with murder? They hide the statsics, they pay off families, they lie cheat and steal in many case with impunity. And now with the addition of left over military hardware WE have become the enemy in far too many cases.


So far, the evidence presented is that one man, Chauvin, faced 18 previous complaints, and was in fact disciplined for two of them. assuming this was true, we know nothing of the other 16. we can see from the protests in the current situation, that there is a tendency to overreact when a policeman is accused of something. perhaps these other 16 instances were justified.  in at least one of them a grand jury considered the case and declined to indict.  the claim as it has been presented, does show that officers are disciplined on occasion so it's not that they're allowed to run completely free. even if Chauvin should have been kicked off the force for some previous incident, it still doesn't make clear that holding officers more accountable would make the public more safe, given the extensive evidence that discouraging policing  leads to increases in murders. 

 it's also unclear why Floyd died. The knee-on-neck method of restraint used to subdue George Floyd was approved under MPD's black police chief Medaria Arradondo, who will be called to testify — in defense — of accused "murderer" Off. Derek Chauvinhttps://t.co/oH8uEc7ZaF  so Chauvin was actually trained to do this. perhaps it shouldn't have been, but that's a different problem.  they have now taken it out.  Floyd  in addition to having four times the "sometimes fatal" dosage of fentanyl in his system, also had meth  and morphine which probably came from heroin, according to the coroner's report,  and in addition to other comorbidities such as bad arteries and heart, also had coronavirus. it seems we will have to wait for the trial to get more information on why he died. 


https://twitter.com/peterdukephoto/status/1270789440613445632

 


Police officers face a lot of danger and a lot of hard decisions.  if they kill the wrong person, even a guilty person, they may wind up facing murder charges, like Chauvin. but if they don't shoot,  they may wind up dead. and if they don't adequately police, criminals may run rampant and kill citizens.

 an example of this occurred in Chicago during the recent protests as the Chicago police were not policing effectively under  public pressure.  Chicago had its deadliest day in history 85 shot – 24 dead in Chicago’s most violent weekend following leftist riots — all as Democrats continue to call to defund the Police.

Similarly: The Los Angeles Police Department announced Tuesday that homicides in the city increased 250% over the previous week, and the number of people who were shot increased by 56% during the same period.

Last year, police shot a total of nine unarmed Blacks in the whole country. This was dwarfed in  just one weekend in just one city when they stopped policing effectively. 


A Monmouth University poll however shows that 72% of African-Americans are satisfied with their local police departments. Despite what you're seeing on television, 21% of African-Americans are very satisfied with the local police and another 51% are satisfied.

Only 5% are very dissatisfied.

Another 12% are somewhat dissatisfied.

That's a total of 17% of black people, or less than 1 in 5, who are unhappy with their local police.


Officer Chauvin faced 18 complaints prior to this incident.  Only 2 out of the 18 complaints were closed with discipline.  This shows that even with complaints, little to nothing was done.


The officer you cite, Chauvin, being held on $1 million bail and charged with first-degree murder.  I'd say that's facing repercussions. 


Due to the nature of their work, most LE officials enjoy more powers and immunity than the man on the street. That comes with the territory. The problem is when some people within the force lose restraint and go out of control. This scenario is certainly exacerbated when higher-ups either support it covertly or do not take strict measures as part of the punishment.

This is a fact we have to live with. I cant ever see a time when police will be completely righteous and benevolent. There are always bad apples everywhere.


Many police officers face complaints but they are not punished for them.  If they have harsher punishments for these complaints, officers might perform better and people will be safer.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/minneapolis-officers-background-george-floyd-trnd/index.html


If police officers were held more accountable for their actions, it would make it safer for the public and it would be better for the police departments.


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